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Jun 6, 2022 21:00:49 GMT -5
Post by someguyfdl on Jun 6, 2022 21:00:49 GMT -5
I recently bought a Ddrum4 (V140) from Reverb said to be in "Excellent condition", only for it to be pretty much DOA except for a few sounds. I ordered an upgrade chip for the V150 upgrade, but that won't be here until the end of the month. I have a USB to MIDI cable and am trying to upload the original sounds back into the module. I'm using the Ddrum4 tool but when I try to upload the data to the brain I get a "not responding" message and I have to close the tool. Are there settings in the Ddrum4 module that I need to apply before I can upload the data to it? BTW, this is a non SE module. Any help would be welcomed. Thanks!l
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Jun 7, 2022 3:16:09 GMT -5
Post by kenjwright on Jun 7, 2022 3:16:09 GMT -5
Hi! I posted the same answer on DFO... The dd4 is aways in ready mode for loading sound files so nothing special required to prepare the module to receive. Just to cover basics, did you select your MIDI device under Setup->MIDI? The "not responding" is odd and I have not seen this tool hang in Windows yet (I use a Mac), but you can also try MIDI-OX if you are not able to have success with ddrum4tool. If you have an iPad there is Sysex Base (although the .mid files must be converted to .syx) and for Mac there is Sysex Librarian. Cheers! Ken
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Jun 7, 2022 18:58:45 GMT -5
Post by someguyfdl on Jun 7, 2022 18:58:45 GMT -5
Thanks for replying Ken - I tried MIDI-OX too. I get an error message saying that the file I'm trying to upload is not a valid SYSEX file. I have the factory DDrum4 sounds which are .mid files. Do I need to convert them, and if so, how do I do that?
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Jun 7, 2022 20:02:08 GMT -5
Post by kenjwright on Jun 7, 2022 20:02:08 GMT -5
Do I need to convert them, and if so, how do I do that? Hmm. I thought MIDI-OX intelligently filtered out the midi information and just passed through the sysex data. Guess not! To convert, grab the download location from this post to download ddrum4edit.exe for Windows. You can then convert from .mid to .syx by running; ddrum4edit --syx -i yourFileName.mid -o yourFileName.syx. The .mid file will not be modified but rather a new sysex file will be created which then MIDIX-OX should recognize. Cheers! Ken
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Jun 8, 2022 17:27:36 GMT -5
Post by someguyfdl on Jun 8, 2022 17:27:36 GMT -5
Thanks again Ken. I downloaded the tool but it won't run on my computer. I tried running it in 32 bit compatibility mode also. All I get is a popup dialog box that quickly disappears. So unless you have a link to the already converted files, I'll have to wait until the version 1.5 chip shows up. As of now it's still sitting in Germany waiting to be shipped. Bill
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Jun 8, 2022 18:12:25 GMT -5
Post by kenjwright on Jun 8, 2022 18:12:25 GMT -5
Sorry, I should have provided a bit more detail. Just double clicking on the executable from explorer will do exactly as you described, which is to open a command console which then quickly closes. You will need to open up a console window (search for 'cmd') and then run the program from there. ddrum4edit is a command line tool versus an interactive GUI app. My windows VM is dead at the moment so I cannot do a screen capture to demonstrate but hopefully this description will be sufficient. Regarding the 1.50 chip, although you will get the benefit of the enhancements since 1.4, none of the sound files are actually packaged into the chip itself. You will still need to load the files into the module. BTW, what version of Windows are you running? Ken Update; I was able to access a Windows box and grab a powershell session screenshot. One more update; For reference here is a screenshot of ddrum4tool running on a Windows 2016 server.
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Jun 9, 2022 8:57:19 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by someguyfdl1 on Jun 9, 2022 8:57:19 GMT -5
Ok tried it, I must be stupid.. jit didn't work. I found a different way of converting the midi files to sysex. All good there. Now, I get the ful error message while loading the kick drums into the module. I have the Ddrum sound files for the 4. Which I downloaded through this site. Shouldn't I be able to reinstall all of the files in the folder or do I have to pick and choose which sounds I want? Sorry to be such a pain in the ass but this is my first time with a Ddrum. It's been Alesis and Roland in the past for me.
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Jun 9, 2022 12:09:06 GMT -5
Post by kenjwright on Jun 9, 2022 12:09:06 GMT -5
If you are able to provide some screenshots of the failures then possibly I can help a bit more to solve.
Regarding "FUL", that means there is no room available to load any more files, and typically indicates you have either all of the factory default sounds loaded or a previous owner's favorites.
When the module first boots it is in the default "Palette" mode. This is where from each channel button you can select sounds 1-5 per channel. The sounds can be changed by pressing the channel button, then the Sound button, then selecting the sound via the large encoder dial. Changes made to the Palette are saved automatically and will persist following a power cycle of the module. To view/modify the Kits, when in the default (PAL) mode, rotate the dial clock-wise to select each kit, p1-p26. Any changes done here need to be saved explicitly.
The manual describes all of this quite well so probably worth a read as well.
Cheers!
Ken
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Jun 10, 2022 15:09:16 GMT -5
Post by kenjwright on Jun 10, 2022 15:09:16 GMT -5
I found a different way of converting the midi files to sysex. Could you provide details on the alternate conversion method you found? I would like to have a look at that solution. Cheers! Ken
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Jun 13, 2022 18:19:31 GMT -5
Post by someguyfdl on Jun 13, 2022 18:19:31 GMT -5
Hi Ken... I used this program - www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Audio-Convertors/SYX2MIDI.shtml#download. Do you know why I can't load all of the default sounds back into the module? I got most of the kicks, snares and toms but ran out of room for anything else. I deleted all of the files that were on there from the previous owner before reinstalling what I could. Maybe I don't have the factory sounds? Thanks, Bill Attachments:SyxToMidi.zip (311.54 KB)
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Jun 15, 2022 2:47:49 GMT -5
Post by kenjwright on Jun 15, 2022 2:47:49 GMT -5
Do you know why I can't load all of the default sounds back into the module? Hi Bill. Take a look under this link at the directory Clavia/DDRUM4_SE/Factory Library SE/. Here you will find all of the factory sounds that are included in the SE as well as ddrum4SESoundLibraryList.pdf which lists the sounds by name (roughly 8MB of sound files), and ddrum4SEfactorysettings.mid which includes all of the SE kit definitions and settings. Clearing the module of all sounds and then loading only the sounds listed in the PDF as well as loading ddrum4SEfactorysettings.mid will get you to the default factory sounds and settings of the SE (which takes up all available memory). Cheers! Ken
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Jun 16, 2022 11:13:04 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by someguyfdl1 on Jun 16, 2022 11:13:04 GMT -5
I haven't got the SE version, this is a 4 with a 1.50 chip in it
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Jun 16, 2022 12:38:35 GMT -5
Post by kenjwright on Jun 16, 2022 12:38:35 GMT -5
I haven't got the SE version, this is a 4 with a 1.50 chip in it You do now! The 1.50 chip is the SE. You just have a different paint job originating from 1.40 hardware. Here are the upgrade notes between OS 1.40 and 1.50; Version 1.50 (2001-11-20) - Audio level increased by 6 dB. - Set main volume (active on all 6 outputs) in SYSTEM-OPT menu. - Sends and receives MIDI main volume (ctrl 7). - SDS variation 5 has mono mode trig. - New palette, user and factory kits according to the Signature Edition sounds. - The dynamics can be turned off, the trig level will always be at 75 %. - In sound manager mode, one can select a whole sound group (hold SOUND while dialing). The total number of files in the group is shown. When any of these are marked (blinking), the number of marked files is shown. - No more demo songs (new ones will be added later).
Note: New palette, user and factory kits according to the Signature Edition sounds.Cheers! Ken
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Jun 16, 2022 16:42:02 GMT -5
Post by someguyfdl on Jun 16, 2022 16:42:02 GMT -5
Dude, you have no idea how much I appreciate all of your help! So when the module is completely empty, how much storage space should it have? I have the manuals and have gone through them but I'm not clear on some stuff. If I erase everything again, how do I get the factory kits back in, and exactly which folder of sounds should I reinstall? I've downloaded all available sound files from posts in this forum. There aren't any sounds on the new chip, I was under the impression that installing it would cure everything. Like I've said, this is my 1st Ddrum but not my first electronic drum module. I have used Simmons (in the 80's), Alesis stuff and Roland stuff. Much appreciated! Bill
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Jun 16, 2022 17:31:57 GMT -5
Post by kenjwright on Jun 16, 2022 17:31:57 GMT -5
Hi Bill,
With all of the sounds erased you will have the full 8MB available (8128 blocks). You can check the available blocks by pressing the SHIFT+MEM.LEFT keys. When empty it will display 8.12 available. It is a common misconception that the OS chips contain actual sounds (they do not, no room) so you will need to load what you want. The chip does contain the factory settings so if you re-initlaize then you get all of the factory kits settings configured but still need to load the sounds. Which is time consuming with slow MIDI. The link that I provided previously to "Clavia/DDRUM4_SE/Factory Library SE" containes the factory sound files and the PDF provides the list. But obviously there are many more sounds available to choose from that you may like better, as well as creating your own if so inclined. Using either the stock ddrum4tool or ddrum4edit, you can listen to the sounds before loading into the module. None of the embedded filtering will be present but the core sounds will be accurate.
Cheers!
Ken
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